Wednesday, January 26, 2011

ABortion: Neither Safe Nor Rare

Regarding my recent posts on Dr. Gosnell's hideous abortion mill uncovered in Pennsylvania, an anonymous comment has left a couple of comments to which I wanted to reply (here andhere).  However, my reply has become so long it is a series of posts, so that's what I am doing with it.  I've posted parts one and two.  This is three.  Part four will go up Thursday night.



Anonymous: With regards to places and costs of late-term abortions, I remember reading after the murder of George Tiller, how he was one of 3 providers of legal abortions after the 21st week. I know that there is another provider in Nebraska. So it is not a matter of taking a bus to find a provider for the service; there are simply not many safe legal providers of this type of legal abortion. Also, this cost is typical of a late-term abortion because the procedure is more complicated later in gestation. 

What you read, to be blunt, was a lie.
Consider NOT taking the pro-choice media's word for it next time.  They do have an agenda, and decreasing the number of abortions performed is not part of that agenda.
Here are the facts they don't want you to know:


A 2008 study, "Abortion in the United States: Incidence and Access to Services, 2005," released by the Guttmacher Institute (which was originally founded as a special research affiliate of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America) found that, in 2005, there were at least 1,787 abortion providers in the United States. (It is worth noting that submission for the Guttmacher study is voluntary. As a result, Guttmacher projects estimates for non-responders meaning that the figures cited are estimated calculations and therefore most likely represent minimum numbers and calculations.)
Of the 1,787 providers, the study found that "[t]wenty percent of providers offered abortions after 20 weeks [LMP--Last Menstrual Period], and only 8% at 24 weeks [LMP]…" This translates to at least 300 abortion providers who will perform abortions after 20 weeks LMP, of whom 140 are willing to perform abortions at 24 weeks LMP.
Assuming that the 8% of abortion providers willing to perform abortions at 24 weeks LMP would do so at 22 weeks LMP means that there are at least 140 abortion providers willing to abort a pain-capable unborn children at 22 weeks LMP (20 weeks postfertilization).
"That more than 140 abortion providers are willing to kill unborn children who are capable of feeling the excruciating pain of abortion is a tragedy – a tragedy that we can easily stop in the state legislatures," NRLC Director of State Legislation Mary Spaulding Balch commented.
It is also misleading to conclude that the abortions which Hern, Carhart and their ilk are performing are "rare." According to a May 2010 briefing by the Guttmacher Institute, 1.5% of the estimated more than 1.2 million elective abortions performed annually in the United States are on unborn children at 21 weeks LMP (19 weeks postfertilization) or older. This translates to roughly 18,000 abortions annually – a substantial number of which probably occur at 22 weeks LMP or later, which is past the point that the best evidence indicates that the unborn child is fully capable of feeling pain (a point that may well occur earlier).

Carhart was the other provider in Nebraska you are thinking of.  He moved to Maryland where the abortion laws were more liberal, because Nebraska did the right thing and passed a law banning elective abortions after 20 weeks, when it is irrefutable that the children feel pain. As of last year he was setting up three clinics, in Maryland, near D.C.,  in Council Bluffs, Iowa (just across the river from Omaha, Nebraska, so his Nebraska clients still have just as much access to him as they ever did),  and in Indianapolis.

  He says he is going to be aborting to the maximum the law allows.  This does not sound like he thinks late term abortions are rare or uncommon.

Rashbaum was another one late term abortion provider a few years ago:
"When New York became the first state to legalize abortion in 1970, it coincided with Rashbaum’s split from his first wife, with whom he had two children, a son, now 43, and a daughter, now 45. With the mounting divorce costs, including many therapy bills, Rashbaum began performing abortions in New York City, which had quickly become the abortion capital of the country. The clinic where he worked was open round the clock, with three sets of doctors and nurses each taking eight-hour shifts. He says, "You would go home with a g[taking the Lord's name in vain expurgated] barrel of money."

More about him here, in a story that attempts to slant their reporting to be positive about what a sweetheart the old ruffian is.  I found him repugnant, chilling, and chauvinistic.  

In the nineties, Dr. Haskell was operating three abortion clinics where he performed 'partial birth abortions,' and he admitted that 80 percent of his late term abortions ( 20-24 weeks) were purely elective reasons.  If you click through the link you will find more reports from other doctors who were performing late term abortions using partial birth abortion technique, and who admitted that the vast majority of the babies they killed died for purely elective reasons.

Dr. Robert Bingham was briefly in the news a couple months ago.  He is another late-term abortion provider who has been skirting the laws in his state by giving his patients medication to begin contractions and dialate the cervix and then he has them drive to his other clinic in the next state over (sixty miles).  He actually has around a dozen clinics in four states where he does this with other doctors.  Only he got in trouble because he and his partners perforated a teenager's uterus and ripped her bowel. He didn't call an ambulance, her put her in his car and took her to the hospital, the practice of Rashbaum, too, and the biased author of that article (linked above a couple paragraphs) tried to frame that as something for which he should be admired.  But, in fact, that denies possibly life-saving medical treatment to the patient who may be dying of internal injuries. it protects the abortion doctor, not the patient.  This hospital saw things as they were, and called the police on Bingham.  They found 35 frozen, aborted babies and baby parts in the freezer in his office, but they could not find any medical records for 33 of those abortions. 
  He was recruited as an abortion doctor by Planned Parenthood in the first place.

The National ABortion Federation defended him when the New Jersey board first tried to take away his license twenty years ago, but now that same NAF says his record is the most egregious one they know of.  Well, that was before the story of Gosnell hit the news- and, oddly enough, NAF knew about Gosnell already when they were saying that Bingham was the worst they knew of.

By the way-  at a National Abortion Federation Risk Management Seminar, at least seven abortion providers admitted that when they perforate a uterus and pull the bowel through the hole, they just stuff it back, give medication to cause the uterus to contract, and hope for the best, sending the woman home without ever telling her what has been done to her.  These were medical doctors in good standing with the NAF.  They admitted this is what they did at an NAF meeting, yet so far as I know, nobody turned them in.  Keeping women safe?  I really don't see any reason to believe that.

According to National Right To Life:
In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute collected questionnaires from 1,900 women in the United States who came to clinics to have abortions. Of the 1,900 questioned, 420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks. These 420 women were asked to choose among a list of reasons they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. The results were as follows:
71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other
Late term abortions are neither as rare as you imagine, as difficult to get as you suppose, or generally performed for those hard case reasons. 

 Insofar as it might be harder to find a doctor willing to do them than it is to find a doctor willing to murder babies at only six weeks gestation, that is because after 20 weeks the baby looks exactly like what she is, a human child, innocent, undeserving of death, and viable.  If the doctors know this and so do not wish to participate in those murders, there is no way you can ensure that late term abortions will be available in every small community and town without violating the conscience of the doctors or permitting them to be performed by people without a medical license (which is something Planned Parenthood has pushed for).

Finally, as for the imagined scarcity of late term abortion providers in the area:

The National Abortion Federation lists five member facilities in Philadelphia.
Right across the river into New Jersey, NAF lists two member facilities in Cherry Hill. Down in Maryland they list 8 within reasonable driving distance of the greater Philadelphia area. Delaware has 4. The District of Columbia has two. That's 21 NAF members alone purveying abortions in that area.

Tomorrow (Thursday night)- why doesn't the pro-choice side fight more actively for its beliefs?  Or do they?  Depends on what you think their beliefs are...

8 comments:

  1. It is absolutely unfathomable to me that a child at 24 weeks gestation should be legally dispatched of. I had the pleasure of keeping twins for 2 years, who were born prematurely at 26 weeks. At age 5 they are both beautiful, healthy, vibrant children who read, write, sing, laugh and delight their parents.

    I am speechless.

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  2. I appreciate these well thought out and well-written posts. However, I'm not sure that any amount of logic can dissuade those who are intent on believing what they *want* to believe despite knowing in their heart of hearts that it can't be true - that an unborn child is not, in fact, a child.

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  3. Briena, I know. There is not much logic or compassion in the pro-choice position. In the NICU with my grandson there were twins born at 24 weeks, an infant born at 23 weeks, and one born at 22 weeks. Those babies were being well cared for. I find it bafflingly irrational that the only reason their lives should be saved and their age mates killed in the womb is because of the feelings of the biological parents. It would be illegal to walk up to those babies in the NICU and smother them in most cases, immoral in all cases, but in ILlinois, thanks in part to three votes from then Senator Obama, if those same children had been born alive as a result of an abortion, their doctor could legally smother them in a filthy linen closet, burying them under towels to muffle their cries.
    It's obscene.

    Mrs. Advocatus, I agree with you, but it is my hope (and this hope is not without foundation) that some people are pro-choice because they have accepted the lies told them by the media and the pro-abortion community. Many times people do not even know that abortion is legal in most states at any stage of gestation.

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  4. Thanks for posting all this information in one place. While I've always known abortion to be horribly wrong and incredibly evil, I never knew such horrors like this could exist. It makes me terribly sad for these tender children and for their hurting mothers. If this information were in a national newspaper (I mean all your logic about how available abortion is in all stages of gestation)- I wish all those who persist in believing that these children are not being cruelly killed would have a change of heart and mind.

    I believe that by striving for a happy family and showing love, gentleness and happiness around and for children does in some small measure fight back against this culture of death.

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  5. I started looking into the 1 of 3 providers. It appears that you are right. As of right now, I can’t find anything that would distinguish those 3 clinics from some of the others. Perhaps it was the so-called partial birth abortion procedure, now all but outlawed? Otherwise, it does seem as though there are providers who will provide abortions up to the legal limit.

    I am looking at the CDC data, similar to the data you have. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5808a1.htm?s_cid=ss5808a1_e

    Yup, I am aware of Carhart. I have read Stenberg v. Carhart, so I am aware of him. I can’t remember hearing anything about Nebraska’s new law restricting abortion access on the basis of fetal pain, which surprises me, given the liberal news sources I read on a daily basis.

    The fetal pain issue is interesting. I have been trying to see if I can come up with liberal or perhaps even neutral groups that endorse the idea of fetal pain because fetal pain is a helpful argument for the pro-life side and tricky, at a minimum, for the pro-choice side. If liberals don’t want to admit fetal pain for fear of weakening arguments for abortion, that is terrible. I believe in science above all else, and do not think science should be politicized (although it is all the time). I think the pro-choice side is afraid that admitting fetal pain is one step closer to giving a fetus rights and personhood. Then there would be rights to protect in court which would set off a whole new round of legal objections to abortion.

    In terms of the statistics on women who had abortions after 16 weeks, the 71% not knowing they were pregnant is disturbing as is the 48% who didn’t know how to obtain one. I did some looking into some of the abortion statistics in general and now I can’t find the page. But the gist of it was that although teenagers are a small proportion of those seeking abortions, they get abortions after 16 weeks at a significantly higher rate than the overall abortion population. So I wonder how many teens fell into those 2 categories. Again, back to one of my original points from prior comments, this underscores the need for adequate access to birth control as well as comprehensive sex ed in school (not trying to start a new debate on abstinence-only education, although I could hop into that one easily as well). A majority of teens will have sex before age 18, not to mention marriage. I think comprehensive education should be available to kids in the event that their parents are not comfortable explaining things, although, I do support an opt-out that parents can request if they do not want their children to receive that instruction.

    @Mrs Advocatus – I don’t know how many pro-choicers actually don’t believe that a fetus is a child or at least a potential child. I know that I view a fetus as an entity, that if everything goes according to plan and without external intervention, will result in a live viable, healthy child after 40 weeks (or sooner). Post-viability is easy enough to consider the fetus to be a child, for much of the mainstream pro-choice crowd. It is actually the pre-viability time period that is difficult to justify. A woman who has an abortion at 16 weeks, although the child cannot survive without her, but for her actions, it would perhaps survive to term. There is no doubt that it is a living thing, but the question is whether it deserves rights and protections equivalent to that of a fully developed human being. The pro-life side says yes. The pro-choice side says no. I am a responsible person, so I don’t expect to ever have to make a decision about having an abortion, but in an absolute worst case scenario, I would want abortion as an option, even if I chose not to take it.

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  6. I just want to add as a possible resource to all of you, Josh Braum's Life Report podcast. Josh is out of Fresno, California and is a young man who has been training defenders of life through his fun, spirited and youthful podcasts and videos. Particularly sharpening to our young adult children, you might find "Lifereport" as helpful in talking with pro choice folks as I have.

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  7. The main problem with teen-age pregnancy is NOT lack of access to birth control. They have that.
    A bigger issue is that they don't use it even when it is offered, and when they do use it, all forms of birth control except possibly Depo Provera and IUDs (which have problems of their own) have a higher failure rate because they are teens, so they don't use it properly. (there's a pretty neutral collection of stats on that here.

    Teen agers also have later abortions in much higher proportions because they are teens and engage in magical thinking- they hope if they just ignore it, it won't be true and will go away (that's not just my opinion,there are several studies on that, but I can't look them up right now).

    The one in three late term abortion providers was not just about partial birth abortion. It was a lie from the proabortion activists specifically designed to frighten people and make the situation sound worse to those on the prochoice than it really is.

    In an absolute worse case scenario, I have no doubt an abortion would be available to you no matter where in the states you lived. Abortion for rape, incest, the life of the mother and deformity of the baby is legal in all states at all stages, and gynecologists who are not even abortion doctors will generally perform an abortion for those seriously hard case situations. I don't agree with it at all, murder is murder, but the hard cases, the 'worst case scenarios are only about 2 percent of *all* abortions. I'm willing to be pragmatic and call the bluff on the proabortion community and keep those abortions legal in order to save the lives of 98 percent of the rest of the babies. Except it won't happen, because Planned Parenthood, NARAL, the NAF, and NOW have never met an abortion they didn't like.

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  8. I'd just like to point out that I got absolutely ZERO sex education in public school, not even the supposed video that was supposed to teach girls about puberty, and not only did I not have sex before I graduated, I also knew all of the options for preventing pregnancy if I had chosen to. I believe it is the parents responsibility to teach their children about responsible sex, not the school.

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