I'm moving a comment from this post up to repost it on its own, with a bit of editing. It's an important topic and, while I am not vain enough to imagine I have something to say that has never been said before, I do know human nature enough to know that sometimes we need to hear it multiple times in various ways for something to register. It's also an important enough topic that I think it can be discussed profitably multiple times and in various ways.
Somebody shared a situation where a wife and child were subjected to abuse by the man who should have been their best human protector and defender. The pastor of the church went and talked to the man several times, but eventually the wife could no longer subject her family to that abuse and so she left. The family are now bitter about how the church handled it, and the commenter wondered what else could have been done differently.
I want to be clear that I am not saying it's okay to be bitter- that's a problem that anybody harboring bitterness for any reason needs to work on- but in circumstances like these, it is vital to have some compassionate understanding of what it's like to live with an abuser before you jump to conclusions about how quickly and easily the victims should get over it, let go, and move on.
There is, in fact, so much, much more that the church could have done in the situation of dealing with an abusive man for years. At some point (and not twenty years down the road), an unrepentant and abusive husband should have been disfellowshipped/excommunicated/refused communion until he actually produced 'deeds meet for repentance." . They could have stood with her and banned him from the home until he got help and truly repented of his anger. They could have offered safe haven to the woman and her children.
Consider these scriptures:
You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment." But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment ... first go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift (Matthew 5:21-24).
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions (Galatians 5:19-20).
Hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions- these are all hallmarks of a tyrant in the home, and yet every week church leadership allows such people to fellowship with the flock with impunity, even to hold positions of authority (song leaders, givers of public prayer, Sunday School teachers, and even, sometimes, the very eldership. It's wrong, every bit as wicked as sexual immorality and idol worshiping, yet church leadership turns a blind eye, or simply dismisses it as a little friction typical of any marriage- or worse, blame the victims (If you would be more patient, more kind, more .....- as though the Lord never taught that sin comes from *within* not from without).
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you (Ephesians 4:29-32).
Let your gentleness be evident to all (Philippians 4:5).
But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips (Colossians 3:8).
There is no place in the church for excusing or underestimating the sinful ripples caused by anger, rage, and malice unleashed in the home.
When the church leadership knows that a member of the flock has a problem with anger, with lashing out at the people who ought to be nearest and dearest to him, they need to make it clear that he is in sin and needs to correct it, or God isn't even receiving him at the altar- or listening to his prayers.
I find reason for dismay when the church leadership is having multiple meetings with such a man drawn out over a period of years- I think in all the cases that I know of the counsel includes an attempt at evenhandedness that is unjust and blames the victim for the tyrant's rage, at least in part- the counsel includes things the victims should do so as to not 'provoke' the tyrant. But the tyrant does not act like a tyrant because of something his victims do- he is a tyrant because he has a sinful, pride filled, selfish, violent man's heart (or woman's heart- some abusers are women)- he uses the behavior of his victims as an excuse, but if they change their actions the tyrant only finds another excuse because this sort of counsel never addresses the root problem- the carnal nature of the abuser.
Here's another problem with the 'well, what are YOU doing that you could improve?" sort of advice. This often plays right into the hand of the abuser, who is, as I said before, a very plausible con-artist. This is what he tells his victims all the time- if they just weren't so ...., if they would just do....., if only they would own up their own faults.... then everything would be peachy and the abuser could be the nice sweetheart that he would like to be. And because abusers are such skillful con artists, they often convince their victims that this twisted view is reality. Then the victims scramble frantically, like rats in a red-hot maze, desperately trying to come across the right combination of behavior and words, the combination that will turn the key and keep them from being abused. But it is a lie and a deceit. There is no such key, and there is no escape. The illusion that there is such a key is part of the abuse, it is part of the abuser's head games, it is part of the way he keeps you trapped. And when those who are counseling such a family turn to the victim and ask what the victim can do so as not to provoke the abuser, the abuser has been given another weapon by those who were supposed to protect the victims. It is a heinous wrong.
Why do I object to years of 'couseling' meetings? I see it as an unbiblical approach. Matthew 18 requires far, far more than a long, drawn out series of 'meetings.' It requires actual *discipline* at some point, and not a point years down the road while children are actively being harmed and having their souls twisted and wounded, and having their sense of God warped into a caricature of their wicked father.
Imagine you are in a room alone with a Sunday school teacher who berates you, calls you venomous names, demeans and belittles you, screams at you, and tears you apart emotionally over and over. You go to the 'authorities,' church or otherwise, and you report it. They leave you in the classroom in that teacher's care while 'counseling' the teacher. She does it again. And again. And again. And again. And every single time you complain the leadership 'meets' with her to tell her that's not a good thing to do, and then they leave you right there in her care anyway. Often they make suggestions to you about how you should change your behavior so as to provoke these outbursts- they even make these suggestions in front of the teacher, which suggestions are then used as additional weapons against you. And so it continues. All talk, not any action or protection.
Eventually, you leave on your own. Of course you will be bitter about the way that was handled, because it was a sinful excuse for 'handling' it. Nothing was handled, you were knowingly left to the mercy of a violent abuser. Bitterness is a hard way to live, but it can be much easier to release it if people do not deny your feelings and tell you there is not a real reason to be upset and anger, that if you are bitter you are actually wrong about the circumstances and nothing could have been differently, when of course, it could.
This is part of the job description for all Christians, but especially for pastors/shepherds/bishops/presbyters (different terms for the same office). Bizarrely, often times the response is to wash their hands of it and turn the matter over to the secular authorities, but that is also unbiblical.
Through the usual process, of course great harm is done to the victims, including the children, left uncared for, damaged, and neglected- first by a parent, then by church leadership who ought to be demonstrating Christ to these abused children.
But the abuser is also harmed, spiritually neglected, never brought to necessary repentance, never required to show the deeds that demonstrate repentance, and so he continues deeper and deeper into sin, all because it is just less messy and uncomfortable for others not to face the facts as they are.
The anger and rage, the reviling tongue of an abuser, these are signs and symptoms of a carnal nature. They are not 'weaknesses.' They are sins as deadly as debauchery. The Lord's Servant must not quarrel but be kind and gentle.
The victims of such abuse are often wounded, burdened, ashamed, embarrassed, and, depending on how long it's going on, shell-shocked and even suicidal. They have been living a lie as they are so ashamed of the abuse they end up protecting the abuser from others finding out. When they finally have the nerve to come forward and ask for help, they deserve more than a few counseling sessions with the abuser and the equivalent of a pat on the head and a benediction of 'be warmed and filled.'
In the seventies, I was being abused by a boyfriend. We went for counseling with the college pastor who explained to us that I "needed" to be abused because of an unhappy relationship with my father, therefore, I was "inciting" my boyfriend's abuse. (That week, it was because I had accidentally overturned a plate of food he had left on the sofa.) I vividly recall the power and satisfaction this gave my abuser, who then felt justified in his acts. It left me more humiliated and more abused. Once I escaped the abuse and looked back I realized what that pastor had done. It took a lot of years to get over my anger and disgust with his ignorance, but I did.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this post. I'm not sure that I'd consider myself in an (emotionally, not physically) abusive relationship, although some might, and perhaps it is. We finally went through counseling (together and, at times, apart) and it helped some, but we always end up in the same situation. I talked to the pastor at our old church (this situation is not the only, but the main reason, it's our "old" church), and he sort of helped here and there, but when I got to a crisis point, he completely dropped the ball. I've been struggling with forgiving him. I also have talked to the pastor at our new church (which was actually our old church before our old church, if you follow that,) so we've known him a long time, and he's been somewhat helpful. I'm not sure if it's yet a case for church discipline, or perhaps the pastor doesn't realize the severity of the situation, so perhaps I need to have a real heart-to-heart with him. I've felt all those things you've said, and I've been given some of that advice "if only you'd . . . .". well, as you say, I'm never going to be "good enough" to make him happy. I've prayed for myself to change, for my husband to change, for the situation to change, and it has, to some degree, but isn't really better. It is hard to live this way, because I'm not sure I have justification to leave him (and I have small children to consider) and yet I'm not sure how I can continue on unless God sees fit to send a miracle. Thanks for "listening", as it were, and for any prayers you'd be willing to send on my behalf.
ReplyDeleteThank you for writing a whole post about this subject. It's something that more people should be educated on.
ReplyDeleteI need some suggestions as to best help a friend going through something like this. In this case, after many years the husband has decided that the church they have attended no longer has a valid worship and attending such a church is sacreligious. As a consequence he has become the tyrant of which you speak yet he does not recognize anyones authority but his own. How do I help this lady and the children.
ReplyDeleteCarol, I'm so sorry, but glad you escaped.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, praying. It seems to be human nature to want things to be 'even,' hence the myth that problems in a marriage are *always* on both sides. If the pastor were the one being verbally and emotionally abused, I am pretty sure he wouldn't think, "Well, I just have to try harder not to provoke him, it was partly my fault..."
So I don't know why so often we have to imagine fault on the part of the victims just because they are related to the tyrant.
Hannah, thanks for asking the question that prompted the post.
Agatha, That is an excellent and worthy question, and I hope somebody who has been there can answer more specifically. I have never been there as a spouse, only as a child and briefly as a girlfriend. If you can, would it be possible to safely get the wife alone and ask her what she needs? Are you in a position to offer her a place to stay if she needs to take the kids and run?
How severe is his tyranny? I always hesitate to call in the wrath of the state- it is often dropping a bomb where a scalpel would have been more appropriate. Whether it's approriate or not is something only those close to the situation can really determine.
Headmistress/Agatha:
ReplyDeleteGetting the state involved is a blunt instrument solution, and may not do much long-term good for the woman involved unless she is ready for it to, but if he is physically violent or if you have any inkling that the children are being actively harmed, you really do need to get the state involved. Sometimes you do need to call in the cavalry, but knowing nothing about the case I can't tell you whether that's true here.
If not, I've dealt with these situations, and the best thing you can do when a relationship is be the non-judgmental place where she can go if she needs to. If you can occasionally give a small nudge or hint that his behavior is unacceptable or a light suggestion that there are ways out, that can be useful, but it's a *very* fine line to walk. As much as you may want to take her by the shoulders and shake her and tell her to snap out of it, if you push too far you're going to make her feel like you're judging and attacking her too, and she's not going to feel like she can come to you if she needs to--and she very much needs a place to go if things get bad, or she might not go anywhere.
In my experience church counseling unfortunately tends to veer toward a falsely "evenhanded" approach even at otherwise very good churches, but since he's convinced of the sacrilege of this church, it's not like it would help anyway.
I think the Headmistress's suggestion that you be the place where she can come when she needs to, even in an emergency, is probably the best thing. In my experience, part of the reason people in these situations can't get out is because they feel like they have no one on their side and nowhere to turn, and because the abuser has convinced them of their own uselessness and inability to help themselves. If you are the person on her side that she can turn to and if you can over time convince her that she can rely on herself and she isn't useless or worthless, you may be able to help her get to the point where she is willing to do something herself. But before she's willing, there's very little you can do for her in the long run unless his behavior is literally so bad that it will put him in prison.
(Also, sorry to just jump in; I got linked here looking for frugal recipes a while back and have been lurking for some time; so hi!)
I am escaping an emotionally abusive marriage. It is VERY difficult for those who have not been there to fully side with the victim because we all have sin, we've all blown it at times but abuse is about control and it happens on a daily basis and I wish, wish my soon to be ex-husband's pastor would use church discipline, but he thinks my fears are unfounded because we're told in scripture "Do not fear". When faced with responses like that I have had to resort to civil authorities and have received censure for that! My pastor is standing by the kids and I . Praise God for that and three of my four are solidly seeking God. Keep the fourth in prayer, it's a hard road. Focus on the Family has a little series of articles on abuse which was okay but the best site I have found it Hurt by Love. Excellent, biblical site for abuse and seeking God. Hope this helps.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your thoughts, again. I'm sure my advisors meant well (of course, that's not the point), and I think part of the issue is that in any marriage, even a healthy one, there are going to be arguments and disagreements and each side is going to have their share of the faults. And so, perhaps, they think they are being reasonable in asking us to examine those faults of our own. That, in itself, is not unreasonable. Part of the problem lies, at least in my situation, when the reaction to my faults (or even just a difference of opinion) is unreasonable, over the top, or doesn't even relate to the supposed offense. That is so frustrating because you can't even make sense of the situation then. ugh! anyway, thanks for the forum here to discuss the issue.
ReplyDeleteThanks for all the suggestions. It's pretty much what I thought and so I will continue to support her in any way I can. I think her situation rises to the level of emotional abuse - he tells her and the kids that they are wicked and going to hell because they go to church (he's of the opinion that Christ's church on earth no longer exists) which I think is wrong. But as with any relationship it doesn't happen all the time and the rest of family life is good.
ReplyDeleteShe has so many kids I think she is just trying to do her best. But she wants to give the kids an example. I'm sure some of it is depression on his part, but if he wont be treated I guess we will just do what we can.
Anonymous, try the "Hurt by Love" site. It has been wonderfully encouraging for me. And yes, there is always was we sin and yes I really hate the "victim mentality" but no, we are victims, we do need a safe escape hatch like divorce. Or a church that will stand up for us!! Stand up and bring discipline down on the abuser and stand with us as we take the long time to heal, get our bearings and find ways to provide for our family.
ReplyDeleteAgatha Jane, there is a horribly titled book, "The Emotional Destructive Relationship", written by a great christian author and I have lent out the book and can't remember her name. The back of the book were notes for counseling victims in this situation. It was excellent. If you can find the book, it may help you with your friend. Taking steps to freedom are very hard and need to be God led. I knew for five years I was in an Abigail/ Nabor relationship but I heard very clearly from the Lord I wasn't to leave until He said so. Your friend may say the rest of family life is good, it is not. Pray, pray hard. And stand by her, ready.
Having been in an abusive marriage (both physically and emotionally), I can attest that taking someone by the shoulders, shaking her and telling her to snap out of it, as one commenter suggested he/she sometimes felt like doing, is the LAST thing anyone should do.
ReplyDeletePeople in abusive relationships are used to being browbeaten and shaken. More of the same won't help.
Whether it's because of a 'til death do us part commitment, the thought of their children growing up with lives divided, or the lack of resources, people who stay in abusive relationships do so not because they are weak, victims, martyrs, or masochists. Nothing in life prepares a person to sort out the 'pros' and 'cons' in these situations.
Suspend disbelief for a moment, and imagine how you might begin to respond if the person you loved and trusted the most were to gradually or suddenly (both happen) begin to step over the line into emotional or physical coercion and abuse?
What would your first thoughts be? What could I be doing wrong? We are under a lot of stress right now. He/she just needs someone to talk to. This has never happened before. Just when you think OK, this is what I will do, it gets better for awhile; then it happens again. You think, OK, what worked last time, that's what I'll do again. Before you even realize it, a cycle begins.
If the abuse escalates to a point where you become afraid for your safety or that of your children and/or other family members, by that point the abuser has often gained so much leverage, your choices have become much less straightforward. (It comes with the territory).
What abuse survivors need are compassionate people who offer unconditional love and support. They don't need people who project onto them the same qualities the abuser projects onto them.
I heard it all. "You're not submissive enough." "If you let your husband be the spiritual head of your home, God will protect you." I cannot tell you how many times I heard Ephesians 5:24 quoted. Well, I prayed, I cried, I submitted, for years, and eventually I ended up being grabbed around the throat and my head being smashed into a brick wall, repeatedly.
Anyone who doubts the seriousness of a little shaking or slapping around needs to research how norepinephrine, epinephrine, dopamine and cortisol alter the brains and nervous systems of developing children.
Children who routinely experience fear and violence develop PTSD just as readily as soldiers in war zones. Though kids' developing brains are more susceptible, both children and adults who suffer repeated shaking, whiplash, and heads banged against hard surfaces are at high risk for the kinds of mild and traumatic brain injury being diagnosed in soldiers and athletes.
What made me determined to leave was seeing the effects the abuse was having on my children. What I could not know then was the damage that was aready done.
Exactly Anonymous! It's not until you are out of it that you recognize all the not normal parts and then can see possible other things you could have done to get out sooner, but in the middle of it, it's not clear. So thankful our Lord has walked me through this and it's been His timing. It's still very hard and exhausting and I probably do have PTSD to an extent and having to process years of marriage in a new light is not fun. But we're out and walking and seeking the Lord.
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