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Monday, May 21, 2012

The Real Reason for Early Vaccinations? Parent Training

I know that they do this with tetanus- if you take a kid in with a cut, a kid who may or may not be up to date on their tetanus shots, the doctor will want to make you sure the kid gets his tetanus shot- but what they will not tell you (and will only reluctantly admit if you ask point blank), is that this is of no value for the wound which is the reason you brought the kid to the doctor for in the first place.
I have no particular objections to the tetanus shot itself, but I do object to the other stuff they bundle up with, and I resent not being given a choice as to which toxins I have injected into my child.
But it’s worse than that.  That combination of some 20 different shots you are supposed to get into your kid’s system before he is one- they are even more useless than that tetanus shot.  REally.
See here:
the 24 recommended vaccines given in the first year of life can have no possible benefit, as infants cannot produce antibodies until about age one. I had made this statement in my morning presentation. At the panel Q & A that afternoon, a doctor came to the microphone to ask this highly-respected immunologist if what I had said was true. Here is the transcript and audio clip of this brief but remarkable exchange:
Immunologist: “So, in terms of the vaccines that are given at two months, four months and six months, right…”
Participant: “…there’s no protection.”
Immunologist: “There’s no protection from those vaccines. No. I’m sorry I missed the earlier talk, but there’s no real protection from the two months, four months and six months.”
So what’s the point, you want to know?  Besides putting money in everybody’s pockets but yours, it’s training.
Q. So the science seems fairly clear that for the first year of life, probably, that the immunization is not stimulating the kind of response we expect it to stimulate.
A. True.
Q. So what’s the rationale for continuing to do that if it’s not doing what it’s supposed to be [doing]?
A. The vaccines are given at pediatric wellness visits, and the idea is that you are training the parent to bring their child in at all the pediatric wellness visits, and that it’s only the year visit that actually is truly important. But that for most parents you are not going to get them to bring their kid in if they don’t come in at two months, four months, and six months. And so it’s actually more of a training thing.
It’s interesting, I was on the phone with [?] county public health last week, with one of their vaccine nurses. She was like, ‘Oh, you’re talking about vaccines? Make sure you tell them they have to do that year shot because the first three [the 2, 4 and 6 month shots] don’t work.’ I was like, ‘Yeah, I know.’ [laughter].
Now, the person speaking here is not some kid with a blog. This is an impeccably-credentialed, pro-vaccine PhD immunologist. She knows more about the detailed intracies of human immunology than I ever will. I have great respect for her, and her decades of dedicated work in this field. And I was so glad I was sitting right next to her as she confirmed what I and others have been saying for years.


The medical profession is training you poor dumb parents.  And it works, too- don’t we all just trust the experts?  Isn’t “My doctor said….” one of the most authoritative statements somebody can make in an argument?  Well, unless somebody is saying that to me, because, cynic that I am, the words “My doctor said….” start off all kinds of alarm bells and whistles and make me more suspicious, not less.

8 comments:

  1. Really? I can't wait to bring this up with our pediatrician in a few weeks with our newborn. I guess we'll be delaying things a bit this time. Unbelievable.

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  2. Oh wow, aren't we dumb! Thanks for sharing this!

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  3. Thanks for the info! My dh's physician is also physician to 4 of our nation's leading flu vax developer doctors (we live in a scientific community :)). Guess what? 2 of them use the vax they develop and the other 2 won't even touch it!

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  4. I completely react the same way when someone says "my doc said" and when people ask me " what did the doc say" I usually laugh and tell them I wouldn't care even if I did ask and also realize they don't know me at all or they would know I don't trust doctors.

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  5. There is probably some truth to this, but I don't believe it's completely accurate. I passed it on to my sis who has a very young baby. She and her husband are both medical technologists and part of what she said included: "We check babies for antibodies before receiving blood products at 3 or 4 months. X and I disagree on which one it is as neither of us are practicing blood bankers at this current time and I don't feel like looking it up. So babies do make some antibodies before a year for sure. I wouldn't know off hand if they make any earlier. Babies are born with antibodies depending on their blood type, like all us B positives have anti-A antibodies. But those you are born with, not made... "

    And, my mom, a long time Le Leche League leader pointed out that one of our big benefits of breastfeeding is the antibodies we pass on to the baby. The babies are born with high levels of the mother's antibodies in their bloodstream. Babies who are breastfed continue to receive antibodies from breast milk. The amount of antibodies in the breast milk steadily decreases. The Le Leche league has long reported that at about 2 or 3 months the babies start producing their own antibodies.

    I'm not sure I believe God would have designed breast milk that way only to leave babies unprotected until one year old.

    Question is, what agenda does the immunologist have to say otherwise?

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  6. Babies aren't unprotected- that is what breastmilk does for them. Which would also be a good reason why they don't need to be immunized thru external toxins before one if they are breastfed, assuming immunizations are a good idea any way.

    When I read this, I remembered hearing somewhere that they used not to immunize babies so young precisely because they received so many good antibodies from their mother's breastmilk- I have been trying to track down where I heard this (and that's assuming I remember it correctly). The thing is, what I recall is that I came across that information in something totally unrelated to vaccinations, either pro or con- it was a side-point in something like a medical mystery, based on my vague recollection, so I am nto having much luck finding it.



    As for the agenda the immunologist has, I don't really see your point. There's big money in the pro-vaccination side, not so much money in the anti-vax side.

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    1. My point was that there is a tapering in the antibodies through the breast milk well before the one year mark. It is that period of time after the antibodies have tapered and before the one year mark that I was referring to when I said "unprotected."

      As to the other, my sister was intimating that she has literally tested for and seen antibodies in babies blood that they had acquired through vaccination before the ages this immunologist is saying it is possible. My point is, that IF that is correct (and I'm not promising it is), what motivation might the immunologist have? I don't know. You are right, the money is on the other side but it is foolish to believe that money is the only agenda ever on the table. Maybe it's the immunologist is an ideologue who has valid reasons for being anti-vax and was willing to stretch the truth a bit for a greater cause. It wouldn't be much different than a scientist who stretched the truth on global temperatures to further an environmentalist agenda nor much different than doctors who are anti-meat/dairy for reasons more based on their PETA memberships than on scientific fact. Or, it could just be a mistake. Or a misunderstanding. Who knows. I'm just saying sometimes you hear something like this and you can just "feel" it's true somehow and this doesn't seem 100% right to me.


      I don't believe in all of those early vaccinations either and my kids were vaccinated on an alternative schedule. This information just doesn't feel right to me.

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  7. I just came across this, as I have a 2 month old with an appointment for the DTAP on the 5th of July. This was based on the alternative schedule of Dr. Sears.
    That being said, as I do more and more research, I find myself questioning vaccines at all, and what's worse, I am beating myself up for allowing my little man to have the HepB shot in the hospital at birth.
    In my head, it's almost a damned if you do, and damned if you don't type mentality.
    What was the final straw for you to decline vaccines, or delay until after one year? My son is solely breastfed, and logically, if the antibodies in my breast milk decline say at about 6 months, why would I not then give one bottle a day of expressed milk from my first few months? Would this expressed milk/colostrum, not then provide added antibodies?

    Thanks in advance for helping to educate me further. :)

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